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	<title>Comments on: Distinguished Lecture Series III: Avi Wigderson, &#8220;Algebraic computation&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/distinguished-lecture-series-iii-avi-wigderson-algebraic-computation/#comment-24562</link>
		<dc:creator>Terence Tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reference and the correction!  It's easy enough to fix, of course, by shifting all the $latex x_j^d$ by 1, which I've now done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference and the correction!  It&#8217;s easy enough to fix, of course, by shifting all the <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=x_j%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='x_j^d' title='x_j^d' class='latex' /> by 1, which I&#8217;ve now done.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Algebraic complexity theory", by Buergisser, Clausen, Shokrollahi is a good reference. It contains most of the algebra needed for the degree bound (by the way, the variety {x1^d=...=xn^d=0} has degree 1, since it's a point)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Algebraic complexity theory&#8221;, by Buergisser, Clausen, Shokrollahi is a good reference. It contains most of the algebra needed for the degree bound (by the way, the variety {x1^d=&#8230;=xn^d=0} has degree 1, since it&#8217;s a point)</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jason,

Using the recurrence described above, one can get from $latex \hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^d$ to $latex \hbox{Sym}_n^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_n^d$ using a circuit of complexity O(d).  Iterating this n times gives the claim.

I learned algebraic geometry from a number of texts, from which I found Harris's text to be the most accessible.  But perhaps others will have further suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jason,</p>
<p>Using the recurrence described above, one can get from <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Chbox%7BSym%7D_%7Bn-1%7D%5E0%2C+%5Cldots%2C+%5Chbox%7BSym%7D_%7Bn-1%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='\hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^d' title='\hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_{n-1}^d' class='latex' /> to <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Chbox%7BSym%7D_n%5E0%2C+%5Cldots%2C+%5Chbox%7BSym%7D_n%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='\hbox{Sym}_n^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_n^d' title='\hbox{Sym}_n^0, \ldots, \hbox{Sym}_n^d' class='latex' /> using a circuit of complexity O(d).  Iterating this n times gives the claim.</p>
<p>I learned algebraic geometry from a number of texts, from which I found Harris&#8217;s text to be the most accessible.  But perhaps others will have further suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Terry,

Can you show in more detail why $latex S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)$? I am still not clear from your hints that

"By recursively describing the symmetric polynomials of degree up to d in terms of the same polynomials on one fewer variable, one can obtain an upper bound $latex S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)$"

As I see it, 

$latex Sym_n^d = Sym_{n-1}^d + x_n Sym_{n-1}^{d-1}$.

but can this recurrence result in an $latex O(nd)$ size circuit?

Moreover, since I'm computer science major, the notion "algebraic
geometry" terrifies me. Can you provide any good textbooks about it,
in particular suitbable for non-math major students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Terry,</p>
<p>Can you show in more detail why <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=S%28Sym_n%5Ed%29+%3D+O%28nd%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)' title='S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)' class='latex' />? I am still not clear from your hints that</p>
<p>&#8220;By recursively describing the symmetric polynomials of degree up to d in terms of the same polynomials on one fewer variable, one can obtain an upper bound <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=S%28Sym_n%5Ed%29+%3D+O%28nd%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)' title='S(Sym_n^d) = O(nd)' class='latex' />&#8221;</p>
<p>As I see it, </p>
<p><img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=Sym_n%5Ed+%3D+Sym_%7Bn-1%7D%5Ed+%2B+x_n+Sym_%7Bn-1%7D%5E%7Bd-1%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='Sym_n^d = Sym_{n-1}^d + x_n Sym_{n-1}^{d-1}' title='Sym_n^d = Sym_{n-1}^d + x_n Sym_{n-1}^{d-1}' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>but can this recurrence result in an <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=O%28nd%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='O(nd)' title='O(nd)' class='latex' /> size circuit?</p>
<p>Moreover, since I&#8217;m computer science major, the notion &#8220;algebraic<br />
geometry&#8221; terrifies me. Can you provide any good textbooks about it,<br />
in particular suitbable for non-math major students?</p>
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		<title>By: Iftikhar Burhanuddin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iftikhar Burhanuddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've made available the audio recordings and pictures of  Avi Wigderson's DLS series of talks here:

http://www.math.ucla.edu/~ntg/#seminar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made available the audio recordings and pictures of  Avi Wigderson&#8217;s DLS series of talks here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.math.ucla.edu/~ntg/#seminar" rel="nofollow">http://www.math.ucla.edu/~ntg/#seminar</a></p>
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