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		<title>By: Notes on the classification of complex Lie algebras &#124; What's new</title>
		<link>http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/ados-theorem/#comment-226583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notes on the classification of complex Lie algebras &#124; What's new]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  to be a homomorphism  into a concrete Lie algebra . It is a deep theorem of Ado (discussed in this previous post) that every abstract Lie algebra is in fact isomorphic to a concrete one (or equivalently, that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  to be a homomorphism  into a concrete Lie algebra . It is a deep theorem of Ado (discussed in this previous post) that every abstract Lie algebra is in fact isomorphic to a concrete one (or equivalently, that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ado&#8217;s theorem for groups with dilations? &#171; chorasimilarity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ado&#8217;s theorem for groups with dilations? &#171; chorasimilarity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] proof I am aware of, (see this post for one proof and relevant links),  mixes the following [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] proof I am aware of, (see this post for one proof and relevant links),  mixes the following [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/ados-theorem/#comment-136877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The restriction of the action of $latex {\mathfrak n} = {\mathfrak a} \oplus {\mathfrak h}$ on $latex U({\mathfrak a})$ to $latex {\mathfrak a}$ is simply the original action of $latex {\mathfrak a}$ on $latex U({\mathfrak a})$, as can be seen by substituting $latex H=0$ into (5).  The behaviour of $latex {\mathfrak h}$ becomes irrelevant at that point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The restriction of the action of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%5Cmathfrak+n%7D+%3D+%7B%5Cmathfrak+a%7D+%5Coplus+%7B%5Cmathfrak+h%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='{&#92;mathfrak n} = {&#92;mathfrak a} &#92;oplus {&#92;mathfrak h}' title='{&#92;mathfrak n} = {&#92;mathfrak a} &#92;oplus {&#92;mathfrak h}' class='latex' /> on <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U%28%7B%5Cmathfrak+a%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='U({&#92;mathfrak a})' title='U({&#92;mathfrak a})' class='latex' /> to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%5Cmathfrak+a%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='{&#92;mathfrak a}' title='{&#92;mathfrak a}' class='latex' /> is simply the original action of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%5Cmathfrak+a%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='{&#92;mathfrak a}' title='{&#92;mathfrak a}' class='latex' /> on <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U%28%7B%5Cmathfrak+a%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='U({&#92;mathfrak a})' title='U({&#92;mathfrak a})' class='latex' />, as can be seen by substituting <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H%3D0&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='H=0' title='H=0' class='latex' /> into (5).  The behaviour of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%5Cmathfrak+h%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='{&#92;mathfrak h}' title='{&#92;mathfrak h}' class='latex' /> becomes irrelevant at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/ados-theorem/#comment-136844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just above Remark 1; why is the enlarged action still faithful on \mathfrak{a}? Couldn&#039;t an element of \mathfrak{h} sit in the centralizer of \mathfrak{a} in \mathfrak{n}?

thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just above Remark 1; why is the enlarged action still faithful on \mathfrak{a}? Couldn&#8217;t an element of \mathfrak{h} sit in the centralizer of \mathfrak{a} in \mathfrak{n}?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Associativity of the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula &#171; What&#8217;s new</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Associativity of the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula &#171; What&#8217;s new]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] With the assistance of Ado&#8217;s theorem, which places  inside the general linear Lie algebra  for some , one can deduce both the well-definedness and associativity of (3) from the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula for . However, Ado&#8217;s theorem is rather difficult to prove (see for instance this previous blog post for a proof), and it is natural to ask whether there is a way to establish these facts without Ado&#8217;s theorem. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With the assistance of Ado&#8217;s theorem, which places  inside the general linear Lie algebra  for some , one can deduce both the well-definedness and associativity of (3) from the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula for . However, Ado&#8217;s theorem is rather difficult to prove (see for instance this previous blog post for a proof), and it is natural to ask whether there is a way to establish these facts without Ado&#8217;s theorem. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 254A, Notes 1: Lie groups, Lie algebras, and the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula &#171; What&#8217;s new</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[254A, Notes 1: Lie groups, Lie algebras, and the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula &#171; What&#8217;s new]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a global Lie group, requiring the non-trivial algebraic tool of Ado&#8217;s theorem (discussed in this previous blog post); see Exercise 20 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a global Lie group, requiring the non-trivial algebraic tool of Ado&#8217;s theorem (discussed in this previous blog post); see Exercise 20 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notes on local groups &#171; What&#8217;s new</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notes on local groups &#171; What&#8217;s new]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this first for Parts 1 and 2. Let  be a Lie algebra. Applying Ado&#8217;s theorem (discussed in this blog post), we can identify  with a subalgebra of the Lie algebra  for some finite . If  is a small symmetric [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this first for Parts 1 and 2. Let  be a Lie algebra. Applying Ado&#8217;s theorem (discussed in this blog post), we can identify  with a subalgebra of the Lie algebra  for some finite . If  is a small symmetric [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfgang M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfgang M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some (historical) remarks which may be of interest to some:

(1.) The above proof, in which a representation of a subspace is inductively extended to the whole Lie algebra, indeed seems to be the &#039;standard&#039; proof for Ado&#039;s theorem. A slightly different approach, by Y. Neretin (&quot;A CONSTRUCTION OF FINITE-DIMENSIONAL FAITHFUL
REPRESENTATION OF LIE ALGEBRA,&quot; http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=1982443), can be found in the literature.

The objects and techniques used in his proof are almost exactly the same but with the following difference: Neretin first embeds the (complex, finite-dimensional) Lie algebra $latex g$ into a Lie algebra $latex g&#039;$ that is the semidirect product $latex p \ltimes h$ of a reductive Lie algebra $latex p$ and a nilpotent ideal $latex h$ such that the $latex p$ acts completely reducibly on the $latex h$. It then suffices to find a (finite-dimensional) faithful representation of $latex g&#039;$ . This is done exactly as in the proof above: by letting $latex g&#039;$ act on its universal enveloping algebra $latex U(g&#039;)$ through derivations (p) and left multiplications (h), and then considering the quotient $latex U(g&#039;)/I$, where $latex I$ is an invariant ideal that is spanned by all elements that are long enough, in some sense.

The embedding theorem follows from what Neretin calls &quot;elementary expansions,&quot; based on the Jordan-Chevalley decomposition for derivations. I suppose this idea is also implicitly contained in the standard proof.

Neretin&#039;s proof is short and elegant, but it also assumes theorem 7, corollary 8, theorem 10, and so on.

(2.) Concerning &quot;Remark 2&quot;: There have been attempts to determine (bounds for) the minimal degree $latex m(g)$ of a faithful representation of a given Lie algebra $latex g$ in terms of other natural invariants associated to $latex g$. Some classes admit polynomial bounds, but the general bounds appear to be exponential in the dimension.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some (historical) remarks which may be of interest to some:</p>
<p>(1.) The above proof, in which a representation of a subspace is inductively extended to the whole Lie algebra, indeed seems to be the &#8216;standard&#8217; proof for Ado&#8217;s theorem. A slightly different approach, by Y. Neretin (&#8220;A CONSTRUCTION OF FINITE-DIMENSIONAL FAITHFUL<br />
REPRESENTATION OF LIE ALGEBRA,&#8221; <a href="http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=1982443" rel="nofollow">http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=1982443</a>), can be found in the literature.</p>
<p>The objects and techniques used in his proof are almost exactly the same but with the following difference: Neretin first embeds the (complex, finite-dimensional) Lie algebra <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g' title='g' class='latex' /> into a Lie algebra <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g&#039;' title='g&#039;' class='latex' /> that is the semidirect product <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=p+%5Cltimes+h&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='p &#92;ltimes h' title='p &#92;ltimes h' class='latex' /> of a reductive Lie algebra <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=p&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='p' title='p' class='latex' /> and a nilpotent ideal <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=h&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='h' title='h' class='latex' /> such that the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=p&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='p' title='p' class='latex' /> acts completely reducibly on the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=h&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='h' title='h' class='latex' />. It then suffices to find a (finite-dimensional) faithful representation of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g&#039;' title='g&#039;' class='latex' /> . This is done exactly as in the proof above: by letting <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g&#039;' title='g&#039;' class='latex' /> act on its universal enveloping algebra <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U%28g%27%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='U(g&#039;)' title='U(g&#039;)' class='latex' /> through derivations (p) and left multiplications (h), and then considering the quotient <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U%28g%27%29%2FI&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='U(g&#039;)/I' title='U(g&#039;)/I' class='latex' />, where <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=I&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='I' title='I' class='latex' /> is an invariant ideal that is spanned by all elements that are long enough, in some sense.</p>
<p>The embedding theorem follows from what Neretin calls &#8220;elementary expansions,&#8221; based on the Jordan-Chevalley decomposition for derivations. I suppose this idea is also implicitly contained in the standard proof.</p>
<p>Neretin&#8217;s proof is short and elegant, but it also assumes theorem 7, corollary 8, theorem 10, and so on.</p>
<p>(2.) Concerning &#8220;Remark 2&#8243;: There have been attempts to determine (bounds for) the minimal degree <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=m%28g%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='m(g)' title='m(g)' class='latex' /> of a faithful representation of a given Lie algebra <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g' title='g' class='latex' /> in terms of other natural invariants associated to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=545454&amp;s=0' alt='g' title='g' class='latex' />. Some classes admit polynomial bounds, but the general bounds appear to be exponential in the dimension.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ravi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is a typo in (the statement of) Corollary 5. It should read &quot;... $\text{tr}(X_1\ldots X_m)=0$&quot; (not &quot;... $\text{tr}(AX_1\ldots X_m)=0$&quot;).

Ravi Raghunathan

&lt;i&gt;[Corrected, thanks - T.]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a typo in (the statement of) Corollary 5. It should read &#8220;&#8230; $\text{tr}(X_1\ldots X_m)=0$&#8221; (not &#8220;&#8230; $\text{tr}(AX_1\ldots X_m)=0$&#8221;).</p>
<p>Ravi Raghunathan</p>
<p><i>[Corrected, thanks - T.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ramdorai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramdorai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Vanessa. Such a Lie algebra as you are considering is called an m-Engel Lie algebra (this notion has been very widely studied by Efim Zelmanov  in the case of infinite dimensions). I do not know a counterexample in the case of finite dimension.

In &lt;&gt; ( http://www.springerlink.com/content/j7562232386266w8/ ) your question appear as a conjecture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Vanessa. Such a Lie algebra as you are considering is called an m-Engel Lie algebra (this notion has been very widely studied by Efim Zelmanov  in the case of infinite dimensions). I do not know a counterexample in the case of finite dimension.</p>
<p>In &lt;&gt; ( <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/j7562232386266w8/" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/j7562232386266w8/</a> ) your question appear as a conjecture.</p>
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