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		<title>By: Catarina Dutilh Novaes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catarina Dutilh Novaes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My (philosophical!) two cents:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My (philosophical!) two cents:<br />
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		<title>By: PrometheanPlanet</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I have taken the quote below from Professor Tao&#039;s article There&#039;s More to Mathematics than Rigour and&#160;Proofs: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We discover via inductive thinking and prove via deductive, is that it?

I always wondered how people discovered/conjectured the Pythagorean theorem. Was it by empirically measuring the sides of many right triangles?

Or how can someone conjecture the inscribed square problem &quot;Does every plane simple closed curve contain all four vertices of some square?&quot;? I can&#039;t get how people discover those things...

Also, the axioms themselves are experimental facts, why can&#039;t I start with the Pythagorean theorem as an axiom? Or use other axioms?

Or, are transformational proofs in geometry also considered synthetic geometry? (like the one in http://www.google.ru/books?id=qwyBPybT4oMC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=%22examine%20the%20midpoint%22&amp;f=false ,pg 101)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We discover via inductive thinking and prove via deductive, is that it?</p>
<p>I always wondered how people discovered/conjectured the Pythagorean theorem. Was it by empirically measuring the sides of many right triangles?</p>
<p>Or how can someone conjecture the inscribed square problem &#8220;Does every plane simple closed curve contain all four vertices of some square?&#8221;? I can&#8217;t get how people discover those things&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, the axioms themselves are experimental facts, why can&#8217;t I start with the Pythagorean theorem as an axiom? Or use other axioms?</p>
<p>Or, are transformational proofs in geometry also considered synthetic geometry? (like the one in <a href="http://www.google.ru/books?id=qwyBPybT4oMC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&#038;q=%22examine%20the%20midpoint%22&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.ru/books?id=qwyBPybT4oMC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&#038;q=%22examine%20the%20midpoint%22&#038;f=false</a> ,pg 101)</p>
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		<title>By: [Skills] Làm việc chăm chỉ &#8211; GS Terrence Tao &#124; Nguyen Hoai Tuong</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[[Skills] Làm việc chăm chỉ &#8211; GS Terrence Tao &#124; Nguyen Hoai Tuong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] short, there is no royal road to mathematics; to get to the “post-rigorous” stage in which your intuition matches well with what one can establish rigorously, one has to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronnie Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reference to &quot;doing calculus with epsilns and deltas all over the place&quot;: sometimes mathematics develops methods which are far from intuition and then it is test of skill to do it that way. But part of maths is to develop language and modes of expression which make difficult things easy and intuitive, to model the &quot;handwaving&quot;, so that students react with &quot;oh yes!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to &#8220;doing calculus with epsilns and deltas all over the place&#8221;: sometimes mathematics develops methods which are far from intuition and then it is test of skill to do it that way. But part of maths is to develop language and modes of expression which make difficult things easy and intuitive, to model the &#8220;handwaving&#8221;, so that students react with &#8220;oh yes!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maths and Writing &#124; Creative Culture Kenya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the mathematician Terence Tao has written, math study has three stages: the “pre-rigorous,” in which basic rules are learned, the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Johann</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s another aspect to the stages of learning mathematics that happens in parallel, and that&#039;s the gradual connection to people:

1. When you first learn mathematics, it&#039;s presented as concepts that exist independent of the people who developed them. You *can* do that, and it shortens the lessons, so why not? If Euclid or Newton is mentioned, it&#039;s in a textbook&#039;s sidebar and won&#039;t be on the test.

2. Over time, you gradually get a sense that *people* were involved in creating all this stuff! There are concepts and theorems named after people throughout mathematics. You might hear a few stories, e.g. about the Pythagoreans or Newton vs. Leibniz.

For many people, that&#039;s where it ends.

3. Some more precocious students might read about the history of mathematics on the side, not because it&#039;s required, but because it&#039;s *interesting*! But anyone who gets into upper-level mathematics inevitably begins meeting other people in their field, seeing the human side of mathematics, and learning the history of mathematics, or at least their corner of it.

In the end, one learns that mathematics is a deeply human endeavor, full of interesting people, many of whom are still alive! Some mathematicians even have blogs!

The sad thing, to me, is that the human element of mathematics, the historical anecdotes, the fun of talking about mathematical ideas with other people... are all but stripped out in the early stages of modern math education. Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another aspect to the stages of learning mathematics that happens in parallel, and that&#8217;s the gradual connection to people:</p>
<p>1. When you first learn mathematics, it&#8217;s presented as concepts that exist independent of the people who developed them. You *can* do that, and it shortens the lessons, so why not? If Euclid or Newton is mentioned, it&#8217;s in a textbook&#8217;s sidebar and won&#8217;t be on the test.</p>
<p>2. Over time, you gradually get a sense that *people* were involved in creating all this stuff! There are concepts and theorems named after people throughout mathematics. You might hear a few stories, e.g. about the Pythagoreans or Newton vs. Leibniz.</p>
<p>For many people, that&#8217;s where it ends.</p>
<p>3. Some more precocious students might read about the history of mathematics on the side, not because it&#8217;s required, but because it&#8217;s *interesting*! But anyone who gets into upper-level mathematics inevitably begins meeting other people in their field, seeing the human side of mathematics, and learning the history of mathematics, or at least their corner of it.</p>
<p>In the end, one learns that mathematics is a deeply human endeavor, full of interesting people, many of whom are still alive! Some mathematicians even have blogs!</p>
<p>The sad thing, to me, is that the human element of mathematics, the historical anecdotes, the fun of talking about mathematical ideas with other people&#8230; are all but stripped out in the early stages of modern math education. Why?</p>
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		<title>By: There’s more to mathematics than rigour and proofs &#124; My Daily Feeds</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: math intuition vs artistic intuition &#124; rantingmath</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to make logic flow and fit in the neatest possible sense. It is only with a combination of both rigorous formalism and good intuition that one can tackle complex mathematical problems; one needs the former to correctly deal with the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: In the name of creativity, do not let the rules of mathematics impede your intuition. &#124; rantingmath</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In the name of creativity, do not let the rules of mathematics impede your intuition. &#124; rantingmath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] point of rigour is not to destroy all intuition; instead, it should be used to destroy bad intuition while [...]]]></description>
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