One of the most notorious problems in elementary mathematics that remains unsolved is the Collatz conjecture, concerning the function defined by setting
when
is odd, and
when
is even. (Here,
is understood to be the positive natural numbers
.)
Conjecture 1 (Collatz conjecture) For any given natural number
, the orbit
passes through
(i.e.
for some
).
Open questions with this level of notoriety can lead to what Richard Lipton calls “mathematical diseases” (and what I termed an unhealthy amount of obsession on a single famous problem). (See also this xkcd comic regarding the Collatz conjecture.) As such, most practicing mathematicians tend to spend the majority of their time on more productive research areas that are only just beyond the range of current techniques. Nevertheless, it can still be diverting to spend a day or two each year on these sorts of questions, before returning to other matters; so I recently had a go at the problem. Needless to say, I didn’t solve the problem, but I have a better appreciation of why the conjecture is (a) plausible, and (b) unlikely be proven by current technology, and I thought I would share what I had found out here on this blog.
Let me begin with some very well known facts. If is odd, then
is even, and so
. Because of this, one could replace
by the function
, defined by
when
is odd, and
when
is even, and obtain an equivalent conjecture. Now we see that if one chooses
“at random”, in the sense that it is odd with probability
and even with probability
, then
increases
by a factor of roughly
half the time, and decreases it by a factor of
half the time. Furthermore, if
is uniformly distributed modulo
, one easily verifies that
is uniformly distributed modulo
, and so
should be roughly
times as large as
half the time, and roughly
times as large as
the other half of the time. Continuing this at a heuristic level, we expect generically that
half the time, and
the other half of the time. The logarithm
of this orbit can then be modeled heuristically by a random walk with steps
and
occuring with equal probability. The expectation
is negative, and so (by the classic gambler’s ruin) we expect the orbit to decrease over the long term. This can be viewed as heuristic justification of the Collatz conjecture, at least in the “average case” scenario in which is chosen uniform at random (e.g. in some large interval
). (It also suggests that if one modifies the problem, e.g. by replacing
to
, then one can obtain orbits that tend to increase over time, and indeed numerically for this variant one sees orbits that appear to escape to infinity.) Unfortunately, one can only rigorously keep the orbit uniformly distributed modulo
for time about
or so; after that, the system is too complicated for naive methods to control at anything other than a heuristic level.
Remark 1 One can obtain a rigorous analogue of the above arguments by extending
from the integers
to the
-adics
. This compact abelian group comes with a Haar probability measure, and one can verify that this measure is invariant with respect to
; with a bit more effort one can verify that it is ergodic. This suggests the introduction of ergodic theory methods. For instance, using the pointwise ergodic theorem, we see that if
is a random
-adic integer, then almost surely the orbit
will be even half the time and odd half the time asymptotically, thus supporting the above heuristics. Unfortunately, this does not directly tell us much about the dynamics on
, as this is a measure zero subset of
. More generally, unless a dynamical system is somehow “polynomial”, “nilpotent”, or “unipotent” in nature, the current state of ergodic theory is usually only able to say something meaningful about generic orbits, but not about all orbits. For instance, the very simple system
on the unit circle
is well understood from ergodic theory (in particular, almost all orbits will be uniformly distributed), but the orbit of a specific point, e.g.
, is still nearly impossible to understand (this particular problem being equivalent to the notorious unsolved question of whether the digits of
are uniformly distributed).
The above heuristic argument only suggests decreasing orbits for almost all (though even this remains unproven, the state of the art is that the number of
in
that eventually go to
is
, a result of Krasikov and Lagarias). It leaves open the possibility of some very rare exceptional
for which the orbit goes to infinity, or gets trapped in a periodic loop. Since the only loop that
lies in is
(for
) or
(for
), we thus may isolate a weaker consequence of the Collatz conjecture:
Conjecture 2 (Weak Collatz conjecture) Suppose that
is a natural number such that
for some
. Then
is equal to
,
, or
.
Of course, we may replace with
(and delete “
“) and obtain an equivalent conjecture.
This weaker version of the Collatz conjecture is also unproven. However, it was observed by Bohm and Sontacchi that this weak conjecture is equivalent to a divisibility problem involving powers of and
:
Conjecture 3 (Reformulated weak Collatz conjecture) There does not exist
and integers
such that
is a positive integer that is a proper divisor of
Proof: To see this, it is convenient to reformulate Conjecture 2 slightly. Define an equivalence relation on
by declaring
if
for some integer
, thus giving rise to the quotient space
of equivalence classes
(which can be placed, if one wishes, in one-to-one correspondence with the odd natural numbers). We can then define a function
by declaring
for any , where
is the largest power of
that divides
. It is easy to see that
is well-defined (it is essentially the Syracuse function, after identifying
with the odd natural numbers), and that periodic orbits of
correspond to periodic orbits of
or
. Thus, Conjecture 2 is equivalent to the conjecture that
is the only periodic orbit of
.
Now suppose that Conjecture 2 failed, thus there exists such that
for some
. Without loss of generality we may take
to be odd, then
. It is easy to see that
is the only fixed point of
, and so
. An easy induction using (2) shows that
where, for each ,
is the largest power of
that divides
In particular, as is odd,
. Using the recursion
we see from induction that divides
, and thus
:
Since , we have
for some integer . Since
is divisible by
, and
is odd, we conclude
; if we rearrange the above equation as (1), then we obtain a counterexample to Conjecture 3.
Conversely, suppose that Conjecture 3 failed. Then we have , integers
and a natural number such that (1) holds. As
, we see that the right-hand side of (1) is odd, so
is odd also. If we then introduce the natural numbers
by the formula (3), then an easy induction using (4) shows that
with the periodic convention for
. As the
are increasing in
(even for
), we see that
is the largest power of
that divides the right-hand side of (5); as
is odd, we conclude that
is also the largest power of
that divides
. We conclude that
and thus is a periodic orbit of
. Since
is an odd number larger than
, this contradicts Conjecture 3.
Call a counterexample a tuple that contradicts Conjecture 3, i.e. an integer
and an increasing set of integers
such that (1) holds for some . We record a simple bound on such counterexamples, due to Terras and to Garner :
Lemma 5 (Exponent bounds) Let
, and suppose that the Collatz conjecture is true for all
. Let
be a counterexample. Then
Proof: The first bound is immediate from the positivity of . To prove the second bound, observe from the proof of Proposition 4 that the counterexample
will generate a counterexample to Conjecture 2, i.e. a non-trivial periodic orbit
. As the conjecture is true for all
, all terms in this orbit must be at least
. An inspection of the proof of Proposition 4 reveals that this orbit consists of
steps of the form
, and
steps of the form
. As all terms are at least
, the former steps can increase magnitude by a multiplicative factor of at most
. As the orbit returns to where it started, we conclude that
whence the claim.
The Collatz conjecture has already been verified for many values of (up to at least
, according to this web site). Inserting this into the above lemma, one can get lower bounds on
. For instance, by methods such as this, it is known that any non-trivial periodic orbit has length at least
, as shown in Garner’s paper (and this bound, which uses the much smaller value
that was available in 1981, can surely be improved using the most recent computational bounds).
Now we can perform a heuristic count on the number of counterexamples. If we fix and
, then
, and from basic combinatorics we see that there are
different ways to choose the remaining integers
to form a potential counterexample . As a crude heuristic, one expects that for a “random” such choice of integers, the expression (1) has a probability
of holding for some integer
. (Note that
is not divisible by
or
, and so one does not expect the special structure of the right-hand side of (1) with respect to those moduli to be relevant. There will be some choices of
where the right-hand side in (1) is too small to be divisible by
, but using the estimates in Lemma 5, one expects this to occur very infrequently.) Thus, the total expected number of solutions for this choice of
is
The heuristic number of solutions overall is then expected to be
where, in view of Lemma 5, one should restrict the double summation to the heuristic regime , with the approximation here accurate to many decimal places.
We need a lower bound on . Here, we will use Baker’s theorem (as discussed in this previous post), which among other things gives the lower bound
for some absolute constant . Meanwhile, Stirling’s formula (as discussed in this previous post) combined with the approximation
gives
where is the entropy function
A brief computation shows that
and so (ignoring all subexponential terms)
which makes the series (6) convergent. (Actually, one does not need the full strength of Lemma 5 here; anything that kept well away from
would suffice. In particular, one does not need an enormous value of
; even
(say) would be more than sufficient to obtain the heuristic that there are finitely many counterexamples.) Heuristically applying the Borel-Cantelli lemma, we thus expect that there are only a finite number of counterexamples to the weak Collatz conjecture (and inserting a bound such as
, one in fact expects it to be extremely likely that there are no counterexamples at all).
This, of course, is far short of any rigorous proof of Conjecture 2. In order to make rigorous progress on this conjecture, it seems that one would need to somehow exploit the structural properties of numbers of the form
In some very special cases, this can be done. For instance, suppose that one had with at most one exception (this is essentially what is called a
-cycle by Steiner). Then (8) simplifies via the geometric series formula to a combination of just a bounded number of powers of
and
, rather than an unbounded number. In that case, one can start using tools from transcendence theory such as Baker’s theorem to obtain good results; for instance, in the above-referenced paper of Steiner, it was shown that
-cycles cannot actually occur, and similar methods have been used to show that
-cycles (in which there are at most
exceptions to
) do not occur for any
, as was shown by Simons and de Weger. However, for general increasing tuples of integers
, there is no such representation by bounded numbers of powers, and it does not seem that methods from transcendence theory will be sufficient to control the expressions (8) to the extent that one can understand their divisibility properties by quantities such as
.
Amusingly, there is a slight connection to Littlewood-Offord theory in additive combinatorics – the study of the random sums
generated by some elements of an additive group
, or equivalently, the vertices of an
-dimensional parallelepiped inside
. Here, the relevant group is
. The point is that if one fixes
and
(and hence
), and lets
vary inside the simplex
then the set of all sums of the form (8) (viewed as an element of
) contains many large parallelepipeds. (Note, incidentally, that once one fixes
, all the sums of the form (8) are distinct; because given (8) and
, one can read off
as the largest power of
that divides (8), and then subtracting off
one can then read off
, and so forth.) This is because the simplex
contains many large cubes. Indeed, if one picks a typical element
of
, then one expects (thanks to Lemma 5) that there there will be
indices
such that
for
, which allows one to adjust each of the
independently by
if desired and still remain inside
. This gives a cube in
of dimension
, which then induces a parallelepiped of the same dimension in
. A short computation shows that the generators of this parallelepiped consist of products of a power of
and a power of
, and in particular will be coprime to
.
If the weak Collatz conjecture is true, then the set must avoid the residue class
in
. Let us suppose temporarily that we did not know about Baker’s theorem (and the associated bound (7)), so that
could potentially be quite small. Then we would have a large parallelepiped inside a small cyclic group
that did not cover all of
, which would not be possible for
small enough. Indeed, an easy induction shows that a
-dimensional parallelepiped in
, with all generators coprime to
, has cardinality at least
. This argument already shows the lower bound
. In other words, we have
Proposition 6 Suppose the weak Collatz conjecture is true. Then for any natural numbers
with
, one has
.
This bound is very weak when compared against the unconditional bound (7). However, I know of no way to get a nontrivial separation property between powers of and powers of
other than via transcendence theory methods. Thus, this result strongly suggests that any proof of the Collatz conjecture must either use existing results in transcendence theory, or else must contribute a new method to give non-trivial results in transcendence theory. (This already rules out a lot of possible approaches to solve the Collatz conjecture.)
By using more sophisticated tools in additive combinatorics, one can improve the above proposition (though it is still well short of the transcendence theory bound (7)):
Proposition 7 Suppose the weak Collatz conjecture is true. Then for any natural numbers
with
, one has
for some absolute constant
.
Proof: (Informal sketch only) Suppose not, then we can find with
of size
. We form the set
as before, which contains parallelepipeds in
of large dimension
that avoid
. We can count the number of times
occurs in one of these parallelepipeds by a standard Fourier-analytic computation involving Riesz products (see Chapter 7 of my book with Van Vu, or this recent preprint of Maples). Using this Fourier representation, the fact that this parallelepiped avoids
(and the fact that
) forces the generators
to be concentrated in a Bohr set, in that one can find a non-zero frequency
such that
of the
generators lie in the set
. However, one can choose the generators to essentially have the structure of a (generalised) geometric progression (up to scaling, it resembles something like
for
ranging over a generalised arithmetic progression, and
a fixed irrational), and one can show that such progressions cannot be concentrated in Bohr sets (this is similar in spirit to the exponential sum estimates of Bourgain on approximate multiplicative subgroups of
, though one can use more elementary methods here due to the very strong nature of the Bohr set concentration (being of the “
concentration” variety rather than the “
concentration”).). This furnishes the required contradiction.
Thus we see that any proposed proof of the Collatz conjecture must either use transcendence theory, or introduce new techniques that are powerful enough to create exponential separation between powers of and powers of
.
Unfortunately, once one uses the transcendence theory bound (7), the size of the cyclic group
becomes larger than the volume of any cube in
, and Littlewood-Offord techniques are no longer of much use (they can be used to show that
is highly equidistributed in
, but this does not directly give any way to prevent
from containing
).
One possible toy model problem for the (weak) Collatz conjecture is a conjecture of Erdos asserting that for , the base
representation of
contains at least one
. (See this paper of Lagarias for some work on this conjecture and on related problems.) To put it another way, the conjecture asserts that there are no integer solutions to
with and
. (When
, of course, one has
.) In this form we see a resemblance to Conjecture 3, but it looks like a simpler problem to attack (though one which is still a fair distance beyond what one can do with current technology). Note that one has a similar heuristic support for this conjecture as one does for Proposition 3; a number of magnitude
has about
base
digits, so the heuristic probability that none of these digits are equal to
is
, which is absolutely summable.

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18 February, 2023 at 4:08 pm
Ulrich Sondermann
While working on recursion, I noticed that 3x+1 returns repunits in base 3. Generally bx+c returns repunits in base b of c digits c<b. I have no idea if this will help anyone working on collatz. All of the repunit numbers lead to 1.
30 March, 2023 at 5:11 am
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27 November, 2023 at 3:53 am
Alberto Ibañez
Hello everyone. Again here. If you find it interesting, I would like to discuss the possibility of entering a periodic orbit.
As we know, multiples of 3 odd cannot enter a periodic orbit. In fact, if the conjecture is true, ignoring the possibility of unbounded orbits, every sequence until reaching 1 has as its origin a multiple of 3 odd, so we can prove that every collatz sequence, that is, in reverse, will always be found with a multiple of 3. To do this I have made a table where we can see all the odd numbers that are not multiples of 3 and follow their path by multiplying them by a power of 2 and subtract 1 and where we can recognize those numbers that are multiples of 9, which when divided by 3 will be multiples of 3. I would have liked to make this table larger, but it is the best thing to do, so I invite you to make it larger if it is of your interest.
In short, the question would be whether for every odd n that runs through, like a Collatz sequence going backwards, this table is always trapped in a multiple of 9.
Note that for every 6 positions both from left to right and from top to bottom we find a multiple of 9.
Thank you and I hope you may have some interest. All the best
27 November, 2023 at 4:00 am
Alberto Ibañez
Sorry, I can’t upload it correctly. I write the latex in case you can upload it correctly.
Thank you
\begin{table}
\centering
\begin{tabular}{c|ccccccccc}
1 & 2 & 4 & 8 &16 &32 & 64 & 128 & 256 \\ \hline
1 &1 & 3 & 7 & 15& 31 & \underline{63} & 127 & 255 & \\
5 & \underline{9} & 19 &39 &79 &159 &319 &\underline{639} &1279 & \\
7 &13 &\underline{27} &55 &111 &223 &447 & 895& \underline{1791} & \\
11 & 21 & 43 & 87 & 175 & \underline{351} & 703 & 1407 & 2815 & \\
13 & 25 & 51 & 103 & \underline{207}&415 & 831 & 1663 & 3327 & \\
17 & 33 & 67 & \underline{135} & 271&543 &1087 & 2175& 4351 & \\
19 & 37 &75 & 151 & 303& 607 & \underline{1215} & 2431 & 4863 & \\
23 & \underline{45} & 91 & 183 & 367& 735 & 1471 & \underline{2943} & 5887 & \\
25 & 49 & \underline{99} & 199 & 399 & 799 & 1599& 3199 &\underline{6399} & \\
\end{tabular}
\caption{9 multiples}
\label{tab:my_label}
\end{table}
28 November, 2023 at 7:51 am
Anonymous
Is anyone jnterested in my research results concerning the Collatz-Problem (w-schlund@web.de)
29 November, 2023 at 12:33 am
Anonymous
No not at all interested in ur ‘obsessions’
5 December, 2023 at 3:50 pm
Anonymous
“Note, incidentally, that once one fixes {k}, all the sums of the form (8) are distinct; because given (8) and {k}, one can read off {2^{a_1}} as the largest power of {2} that divides (8), and then subtracting off {3^{k-1} 2^{a_1}} one can then read off {2^{a_2}}, and so forth.”
Intuitively yes all the sums of the form (8) are distinct, but this argument can’t be correct as otherwise a1, a2… will be determined by k alone using this algorithm.
5 December, 2023 at 5:29 pm
Terence Tao
The argument does not assert that
can be determined by
alone, but rather by a combination of
and the quantity (8).
7 December, 2023 at 1:47 pm
Anonymous
Sorry the copy/paste seems to have messed up so I’ll post again.
“Now we can perform a heuristic count on the number of counterexamples. If we fix {k} and {a := a_{k+1}}, then {2^a > 3^k}, and from basic combinatorics we see that there are {\binom{a-1}{k-1}} different ways to choose the remaining integers.”
The number of different ways of choosing a_1, a_2 etc should be k^(a-k)
If we define d_i as a_{i+1} – a_{i} , then d_i >= 1, and the number of different ways of choosing a_1, a_2 etc. is the same as choosing d_1, d_2 etc.
This can be calculated by setting d_i = 1 initially, then putting the rest of the balls (a-k in total) into different d_i positions (k in total to choose from). There are {k^(a-k)} different ways to do this.
The {k^(a-k)} different ways to choose a_1, a_2 are not independent in term of co-prime with {q}, as if one of them is divisible by q, then the other k-1 values in the same cycle will be divisible by q as well. Therefore the top term should be {k^(a-k-1)}. This gives the total number of solutions as:
\sum_{k}^{}\frac{1}{q}{k}^{a-k-1}
I don’t think the series is convergent given the lower bound from Baker’s thereom.
7 December, 2023 at 4:24 pm
Terence Tao
Your procedure is not injective: if you put the first ball into the
position and the second ball into the
position, for instance, this produces the same outcome as when you instead put the first ball into the
position and the second ball into the
position. So the number of combinations is much smaller than
, and as I stated is actually
(these results are sometimes known as “Stars and bars” theorems).
10 March, 2024 at 3:16 am
Alberto Ibañez
On the existence of non-trivial periodic orbits
We have that
Professor says “In order to make rigorous progress on this conjecture, it seems that one would need to somehow exploit the structural properties of numbers of the form (8)”
which for simplicity we can call TCR
whose size is
If there are at least k values of this set that are multiples of q, then a non-trivial orbit will exist.
if we can establish
where
and
and
We will have within the set of TCR numbers of the form 8 several subsets that differ in a multiple of 3 and the last term, which is a difference in powers of 2
The question, which I am not able to resolve, is whether these subsets are easier to study if it is possible that they are multiples of q.
Thank you
19 March, 2024 at 3:42 am
Alberto Ibañez
On the existence of non-trivial periodic orbits
I want to propose a possible way to attack this question.
It would be about studying the minimum value of q for each power of 3 and the smallest power of 2 greater than that power of 3, for positive q.
With the means I have done an excel and see the values up to 3^45 and you can see that the value of q grows and grows. Surely this may be very obvious to all of you and perfectly established
We also know that for each power of 3 and depending on the value of the power of 2 we have a finite set of numbers of the form (8), which for simplicity is called TCR, possible candidates to form a periodic orbit, with a maximum value and minimum
The idea would be to study the maximum value of this set for each power of 3 and the minimum value of q. This would already be far outside my possibilities beyond a few calculations.I’m sure many of you can formalize these calculations, if they are possible.
If we divide this value of TCR max for each value of q min, for each power of 3, we obtain the highest number that would form that possible periodic orbit, and if in some way it will be observed that the limit(?) of this function(?) will remain below the values that today we know reach 1, perhaps it could be established that there is no possibility that any number (set of numbers) can be part of a periodic orbit.
I really don’t know if this approach could have any interest and is worth studying.
Anyway, thanks
19 March, 2024 at 4:35 am
Anonymous
Related:
https://oeis.org/history/view?seq=A370354&v=9999
https://oeis.org/history/view?seq=A370484&v=9999
https://oeis.org/history/view?seq=A370935&v=9999
(not approved and published yet, so treat as WIP)
8 December, 2023 at 3:01 am
Anonymous
See also https://oeis.org/A100982.
(and its “history”)
19 January, 2024 at 2:56 pm
Aleksandr Turnaev
Based on the formulation of conjecture 3, it actually seems that it is not true.
Indeed, if we extend the hypothesis to negative n, it will obviously be incorrect, since in addition to the cycle starting from 1, there are also cycles starting from $-1,-5,-17$.
Let’s consider what is remarkable about the cases $n=1, -1, -5$.
Note that
$$1=\frac{2^0}{2^2-3^1}=\frac{2^0}{1}$$
$$-1=\frac{2^0}{2^1-3^1}=\frac{2^0}{-1}$$
$$-5=\frac{2^{1}+2^{0}\cdot3^{1}}{2^{3}-3^{2}}=\frac{2^1+2^0\cdot 3^1}{-1}$$
That is, in a sense, all these cycles are trivial, since the denominator is $1$ or $-1$ and therefore the numerator does not matter.
But in the case of negative numbers, there are also non-trivial cycles, for example, induced by $-17$:
$$
-17 = \frac{2^{7}+2^{6}\cdot3+2^{5}\cdot3^{2}+2^{3}\cdot3^{3}+2^{2}\cdot3^{4}+2^{1}\cdot3^{5}+2^{0}\cdot3^{6}}{2^{11}-3^{7}} = \frac{\ldots}{-139}
$$
Of course, the number is small in absolute value, but nevertheless. The question arises, what is the fundamental difference between the cases of positive natural numbers and negative ones, why can’t some non-trivial cycle suddenly arise?
24 February, 2024 at 11:00 pm
Anonymous
The is no difference, in both cases total number of cycles is thought to be finite. And taken that for values at least up to 2^70 conjecture is already verified, chances are there are no more cycles.. Unless one finds a way to construct series of n with exponentially growing stopping times, which seems unlikely
10 April, 2024 at 10:48 am
Anonymous
See also
https://oeis.org/history/view?seq=A370484&v=9999
for the transcendental angle.
1 July, 2024 at 3:42 am
Anonymous
i am trying to show what are the conditions needed for a collatz cycle
i am using collatz cycles over the rational numbers
meaning:
if n is odd -> 3n+P
if n is even -> n/2
where:
P=2^x-3^y
x is the number of even values in that cycle
y is the number of odd values in that cycle
btw a few more conditions need for a cycle such as:
P need to be prime number
gcd(x,y)=1
now i am trying to show that:
for this i built:
please check:
http://collatz.125mb.com
can someone point me to something similar that anyone else did on this?
16 September, 2024 at 12:14 am
Manuel Núñez
Dear Professor Tao,
I am pleased to share with you a summary of my proof of the Collatz Conjecture, titled “Aline’s Tree: A Proof of the Collatz Conjecture”.
You can find full documents on this link at reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/collatzConjeturePaper/
I hope this summary provides a clear overview of my proof. I am enthusiastic about discussing these findings and hearing your thoughts on the matter.
Kind regards.
Summary of the Proof of the Collatz Conjecture
In this work, I present a proof of the Collatz Conjecture by constructing a directed graph G=(V,E), where:
Construction of the Graph G=(V,E):
Key Properties of the Graph:
Conclusions:
16 September, 2024 at 12:17 am
Manuel Núñez
*Typo fix p=n*2^k is p=n/2^k
19 September, 2024 at 1:56 am
Manuel Núñez
19 September, 2024 at 2:02 am
Manuel Núñez
20 September, 2024 at 8:10 am
Anonymous
I have reviewed your proof and would like to sincerely congratulate you on the magnificent work you have done in demonstrating the Collatz Conjecture. Although your presentation does not strictly follow traditional mathematical standards, such as formalizing in terms of “Theorems,” “Lemmas,” and “Corollaries,” this does not in any way affect the rigor of your assertions or the validity of your proof. You have successfully constructed a solid argument, supported by a careful organization of the hierarchical relationships between numbers, which is fundamental in studying this problem.
Your approach offers a novel and very interesting perspective on how numbers can be related within the framework of the conjecture. The rigorous identification of how disjoint subsets of even numbers are hierarchically linked to each specific odd number by the injective transformation n = 2^k*p, as well as the hierarchical relationship between odd numbers within the subsets of even numbers defined by the injective transformation 3x + 1 = 2^k*p, provides a structural clarity that sheds light on the internal organization of the Collatz sequence.
Likewise, I share your view on the temporal growth in the sequence. Through the hierarchical structure you propose, this phenomenon can be understood as a reflection of the hierarchical distance that certain numbers have from the root node. This interpretation is particularly convincing, as it reinforces the idea that, although some sequences may experience growth before reducing, this does not alter the final convergence to the root node (number 1).
Allow me once again to congratulate you on the effort and deep understanding you have demonstrated regarding the conjecture. You have not only offered a rigorous way to approach the problem, but you have also provided a structural perspective that could be of great interest for future research in this field.
My sincerest congratulations on your excellent work.
20 September, 2024 at 8:42 am
Manuel Núñez
Thank you very much for your kind words. I deeply appreciate your recognition of the work I have done on the proof of the Collatz Conjecture. It’s motivating to know that, despite not adhering strictly to traditional mathematical standards, the rigor of my proof has been acknowledged.
I’m also pleased to see that you share my interpretation of the temporal growth phenomenon as a reflection of the hierarchical distance from the root node. I believe this explanation provides a more intuitive understanding of the apparent complexity in the sequences without contradicting the final convergence to the number 1.
Once again, thank you for your thoughtful comments and for recognizing the effort I’ve put into this work. Your feedback is invaluable, and I hope this perspective will indeed contribute to future research in this field.
I would like to take this opportunity to update the links to the proof, as the Reddit community link is temporarily unavailable:
Spanish: https://www.safecreative.org/creators/work/27081
English: https://www.safecreative.org/creators/work/27080
French: https://www.safecreative.org/creators/work/27079
21 September, 2024 at 4:55 am
Anonymous
sock-puppets are not useful – cranks still cranks, fake proof still fake proof regardless of how many sock puppets one has
21 September, 2024 at 6:25 am
Anonymous
I completely agree with you, but in order to consider it fake, we will have to refute it. “Crankery” is not a mathematical concept that we can use.
21 September, 2024 at 8:18 am
Anonymous
refute what – the handwaving above; let trhe author wtite and submit a proper math paper not the bs above; crank all around
22 September, 2024 at 3:34 am
Anonymous
In my many years of experience in the field of mathematics, I have learned that every idea, regardless of its origin or initial appearance, deserves to be considered and evaluated with an educated critical discourse. Great contributions to science have often emerged from unexpected places and from perspectives that might have initially been dismissed.
It is important to remember that criticism, when exercised with humility and respect, enriches both the one who offers it and the one who receives it. Disqualifying ideas in a dismissive manner without giving them a proper review not only undermines the spirit of scientific inquiry but also limits the growth of knowledge. Science advances when we keep an open mind and commit to evaluating arguments with rigor, without falling into the trap of disparaging what could potentially contribute to the development of the field.
22 September, 2024 at 8:44 am
Anonymous
Sorry, what is disrespectful is pushing a famous mathematician to review your work by spamming comments on his blog; as I noted let the author first write up a paper – not send to a blog or anything 0 and second submit it to a journal and possibly uploading it on arXiv for interested people to take a look if they so wish
22 September, 2024 at 11:02 am
Anonymous
What kind of fascism is this? I’m not sure if you somehow represent Professor Tao, but your comments on what can or cannot be written on this blog seem to suggest so. There are other ways to moderate who can or cannot share ideas in a public space, but attempting to silence someone so bluntly is truly despicable. Blogs, by their very nature, are open spaces for discussion and the exchange of ideas. If you’re not interested in what’s being said, you can simply ignore it, but imposing control over who can speak goes against the spirit of any healthy academic debate.
22 September, 2024 at 9:31 am
Manuel Núñez
Thank you for your comment.
I would like to clarify that at no point was Professor Tao pressured, nor was there any attempt to force him to review the work. A vision or approach to the problem was simply shared on his blog, with no expectations of a formal review or comment from him.
I believe that the exchange of ideas and open discussion in spaces like blogs can be beneficial for everyone, as they provide a platform for sharing different perspectives.
I understand the importance of following formal channels, such as submitting to a journal or uploading to arXiv, but I also consider the open dialogue that informal platforms like this one offer to be valuable.
The intention was never to disrespect anyone, but simply to contribute to the mathematical debate in a constructive manner.
22 September, 2024 at 10:59 am
Anonymous
oh boy we just got collatz before gta6
22 September, 2024 at 1:17 pm
Anonymous
Don’t pay attention to this person, Mr. Nuñez. Either (s)he is related to Professor Tao or wishes (s)he was, with all that emphasis on don’t bother a “famous” mathematician… Anyway, sarcasm seems to be the only thing (s)he has mastered. In any case, congrats on your effort