I’ve just uploaded to the arXiv my paper “On the universality of the incompressible Euler equation on compact manifolds“, submitted to Discrete and Continuous Dynamical Systems. This is a variant of my recent paper on the universality of potential well dynamics, but instead of trying to embed dynamical systems into a potential well , here we try to embed dynamical systems into the incompressible Euler equations
on a Riemannian manifold . (One is particularly interested in the case of flat manifolds
, particularly
or
, but for the main result of this paper it is essential that one is permitted to consider curved manifolds.) This system, first studied by Ebin and Marsden, is the natural generalisation of the usual incompressible Euler equations to curved space; it can be viewed as the formal geodesic flow equation on the infinite-dimensional manifold of volume-preserving diffeomorphisms on
(see this previous post for a discussion of this in the flat space case).
The Euler equations can be viewed as a nonlinear equation in which the nonlinearity is a quadratic function of the velocity field . It is thus natural to compare the Euler equations with quadratic ODE of the form
where is the unknown solution, and
is a bilinear map, which we may assume without loss of generality to be symmetric. One can ask whether such an ODE may be linearly embedded into the Euler equations on some Riemannian manifold
, which means that there is an injective linear map
from
to smooth vector fields on
, as well as a bilinear map
to smooth scalar fields on
, such that the map
takes solutions to (2) to solutions to (1), or equivalently that
for all .
For simplicity let us restrict to be compact. There is an obvious necessary condition for this embeddability to occur, which comes from energy conservation law for the Euler equations; unpacking everything, this implies that the bilinear form
in (2) has to obey a cancellation condition
for some positive definite inner product on
. The main result of the paper is the converse to this statement: if
is a symmetric bilinear form obeying a cancellation condition (3), then it is possible to embed the equations (2) into the Euler equations (1) on some Riemannian manifold
; the catch is that this manifold will depend on the form
and on the dimension
(in fact in the construction I have,
is given explicitly as
, with a funny metric on it that depends on
).
As a consequence, any finite dimensional portion of the usual “dyadic shell models” used as simplified toy models of the Euler equation, can actually be embedded into a genuine Euler equation, albeit on a high-dimensional and curved manifold. This includes portions of the self-similar “machine” I used in a previous paper to establish finite time blowup for an averaged version of the Navier-Stokes (or Euler) equations. Unfortunately, the result in this paper does not apply to infinite-dimensional ODE, so I cannot yet establish finite time blowup for the Euler equations on a (well-chosen) manifold. It does not seem so far beyond the realm of possibility, though, that this could be done in the relatively near future. In particular, the result here suggests that one could construct something resembling a universal Turing machine within an Euler flow on a manifold, which was one ingredient I would need to engineer such a finite time blowup.
The proof of the main theorem proceeds by an “elimination of variables” strategy that was used in some of my previous papers in this area, though in this particular case the Nash embedding theorem (or variants thereof) are not required. The first step is to lessen the dependence on the metric by partially reformulating the Euler equations (1) in terms of the covelocity
(which is a
-form) instead of the velocity
. Using the freedom to modify the dimension of the underlying manifold
, one can also decouple the metric
from the volume form that is used to obtain the divergence-free condition. At this point the metric can be eliminated, with a certain positive definiteness condition between the velocity and covelocity taking its place. After a substantial amount of trial and error (motivated by some “two-and-a-half-dimensional” reductions of the three-dimensional Euler equations, and also by playing around with a number of variants of the classic “separation of variables” strategy), I eventually found an ansatz for the velocity and covelocity that automatically solved most of the components of the Euler equations (as well as most of the positive definiteness requirements), as long as one could find a number of scalar fields that obeyed a certain nonlinear system of transport equations, and also obeyed a positive definiteness condition. Here I was stuck for a bit because the system I ended up with was overdetermined – more equations than unknowns. After trying a number of special cases I eventually found a solution to the transport system on the sphere, except that the scalar functions sometimes degenerated and so the positive definiteness property I wanted was only obeyed with positive semi-definiteness. I tried for some time to perturb this example into a strictly positive definite solution before eventually working out that this was not possible. Finally I had the brainwave to lift the solution from the sphere to an even more symmetric space, and this quickly led to the final solution of the problem, using the special orthogonal group rather than the sphere as the underlying domain. The solution ended up being rather simple in form, but it is still somewhat miraculous to me that it exists at all; in retrospect, given the overdetermined nature of the problem, relying on a large amount of symmetry to cut down the number of equations was basically the only hope.
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25 July, 2017 at 10:20 pm
Fabiano789
Congratulations on yet another step into your interesting project!
25 July, 2017 at 11:24 pm
Anthony
Thanks for explaining the process by which you arrived at the result.
26 July, 2017 at 8:25 am
Sergei Ofitserov
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21 August, 2017 at 8:10 pm
Sadik Shahidain
Love this
Sadik
27 July, 2017 at 3:04 pm
TheWitness
I think it would be great if more researchers would describe the process by which they arrived at their results, and also just provide informal commentary and opinions about the results, as Tao has done here.
27 July, 2017 at 10:46 pm
Me
Dear Pr Tao
Thanks a lot for your post. My understanding of Riemanian manifold is rudimentary at best, but I do not clearly see how you could prove finite-time blow-up of the Euler with this approach.
As you mention in the paper, the solution of the ODE exists globally, and is presumably smooth. Since the embedding is linear, the image vector field is a linear combination of smooth vector fields, with time-dependent, but smooth, coefficients. So I do not see how you could get a finite-time blow up of in this linear combinations, if everything is smooth and well behaved.
Thanks
28 July, 2017 at 6:58 am
Terence Tao
Yes, this result by itself will not allow one to create finite time blowup for the incompressible Euler equations. But there is hope that the construction can be modified to do so. For instance, one could imagine working on a product manifold
, in which the dynamics of
evolve according to a finite-dimensional ODE as in this paper, and hopefully behave like a universal computer, while the dynamics of
are infinite-dimensional but driven by the
dynamics. Then one could try to “program” the initial data in the
direction to create finite time blowup in the
direction. I’m not able to do this right now, but I’m looking at it; it would be a concrete realisation of my long-term hope that something similar can be done for three-dimensional Navier-Stokes.
28 July, 2017 at 11:10 am
Not Me
This motivation – apart from the universal-computer emulation – is reminiscent of the use of small gain theorems in control theory, where the goal is typically the opposite: designing small enough gains of the various sub-systems to prevent blow up in the overall feedback system.
29 July, 2017 at 12:21 pm
user777
You state ‘ Finally I had the brainwave to lift the solution from the sphere to an even more symmetric space’. What is this space explicitly and where exactly is it in the paper?
29 July, 2017 at 2:04 pm
user777
I see it in paper but do not understand it.
3 August, 2017 at 11:23 am
itaibn
Typos:
In (4.1)
should be
.
In Theorem 5.1 you should write
and
(I assume the second one is a typo since you aren’t using curried notation when applying
).
In the second paragraph of section 6, you write “the compact Lie group
. I think that’s a typo since in the introduction you wrote the group as
.
After (6.2), “self-adjoint” should be “skew-adjoint”.
[Thanks, these will be corrected in the next revision of the ms – T.]
4 August, 2017 at 7:32 pm
dpietrobon
Hi Terry. A few typographical notes. 1. Below eqn. (1.5) you write “the level sets of ” with an extra comma. 2. In eqn. (3.1) the RHS has P-tilde where previously it had been P’, although perhaps this is not a typo and relates to the method of projections that follows. 3. In the paragraph immediately preceding Theorem 5.1 you write “a bilinear map F: R^n x R^R …” where in Theorem 5.1 you use the notation r for your positive integer. I am unsure, but perhaps this also impacts the first sentence on page 13 where you write “n^2R equations … but only nR independent functions”.
[Thanks, these will be corrected in the next revision of the ms – T.]
4 August, 2017 at 8:48 pm
dpietrobon
*Below eqn. (1.5) you write “the level sets of
” with an extra comma.
9 August, 2017 at 4:04 am
Patrick
Dear Terence,
let’s say that (hypothetically) it is possible to “program” an initial datum to produce a finite time blow-up for the incompressible Euler equations on a certain manifold endowed with a suitable metric. (In another reply you mentioned something about a product manifold M_1 x M_2 where the dynamics on the infinite dimensional manifold M_1 is driven by the finite dimensional manifold M_2, let’s say one can construct something like this.)
1. Do you think it is possible to transform this blow-up solution into a blow-up solution on a flat manifold?
2. If yes, how large do you think is the step to transform this result into the flat case?
3. Could it happen that this blow-up only occurs because the corresponding manifold/metric becomes very singular at the blow-up point? What I am thinking about is whether the tools of how to measure sizes on a manifold blow up or whether the solution itself blows up.
All the best!
9 August, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Terence Tao
My guess would be that one could not directly adapt a blowup solution on a curved manifold to a blowup solution on a flat manifold. A curved manifold blowup that concentrates at a point might be rescalable to a flat manifold blowup if the blowup rates are just right, but if that was the case then it would be easier to construct the flat manifold blowup directly. My hope though is that a construction of a curved manifold blowup may indirectly help find an analogous flat manifold blowup by developing some tools, intuition, Ansätze, etc. that could transfer over, even if the construction itself does not. In any event it provides evidence in favour of flat manifold blowup (or, at minimum, a barrier to any attempt to prove flat manifold global regularity).
13 August, 2017 at 11:17 pm
MB
In Section 6, would a similar approach work for other Lie group & Lie algebra? E.g. volume preserving diffeomorphisms & divergence free tangent vector fields over M?
17 August, 2017 at 10:13 pm
Terence Tao
Yes, in fact Tobias Diez (private communication) has shown me some calculations to this effect, in that the Euler equations for any compact Lie group $G$ can be embedded in the Euler equations on the product of the cotangent bundle of $G$ with a circle, by modifying the construction in the paper.
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